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I am voting for....

Postby cyclone » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:56 pm

Let's stir it up a bit.
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Postby Kansas2006 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:59 pm

When you chose the lesser of two evils, you are still choosing evil.

I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin.
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Postby TBLCommish » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:04 am

Obama all the way!!!
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Postby cyclone » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:14 am

TBLCommish, I guess you get to decide the next president. Seems like I have read that this year its all about Pennsylvania. McCain either comes from behind and wins PA or its all over but the crying.
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Postby rwood37 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:37 am

McCain for sure. People are so desperate for change that they'll turn to a man who believes in failed socialism (Obama). How sad for our country.
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Postby FootballBuddah » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:48 pm

McCain has not shown me how he would be ANY different than what we've had in the past 8 years, therefore I will NOT be voting for McBush.
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Postby Dammit » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:51 pm

The bigger issue here is that neither candidate or party is worth a damn. We tend to vote for what we believe as the least problem based on our lives. A great example is when Clinton was talking about downsizing the military - I was not voting for him when I was in the military. So it is based on our lives right now that determine the direction.

The real problem is that neither candidate is giving clear direction about anything. McCain and Obama both. So when I hear things like it has been proven a candidate is doing this or that, I look at it like a cartoon clipping and laugh and move on. There is no way I am going to listen to crap like that when truly we know nothing about either candidate.

The bottom line is that they will make decisions based on who gives them both money to get into office. The true issue is that we as voting Americans need to do a couple of things.....

(1) Get rid of the lobbiests

(2) Limit every political position to no more than 2 terms for anyone

That way we get rid of the lifetime politician who maneuvers only to stay in office for life. Change is good sometimes. New ideas are good sometimes. But what we are going through right now is based on greed and greed itself.

I have issues with both leading candidates. I have already voted and I will leave it at that. Let me know your thoughts.
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Postby TBLCommish » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:48 pm

cyclone wrote:TBLCommish, I guess you get to decide the next president. Seems like I have read that this year its all about Pennsylvania. McCain either comes from behind and wins PA or its all over but the crying.


I would be shocked if McCain wins PA. Not saying it could not happen, but I think that the Democrats are much more organized and are unified than they were in 2000 and 2004.

In contrast, I do not see the Republicans knocking on as many doors as they did in previous years. And I live in a predominate Republican neighborhood.

With all that being said, I d not think either candidate is 100% perfect, but I know that the last 8 years have shown us just how bad this administration was and I am looking forward to CHANGE as I believe most Americans are.

The underlying issue with this election is the race issue, sad to say, but if Obama was a white man this would be a total blowout. I just hope and pray that people do not let their prejudice get in the way when they step into the polling booth.
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Postby Kansas2006 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:59 pm

TBLCommish wrote:I know that the last 8 years have shown us just how bad this administration was and I am looking forward to CHANGE as I believe most Americans are.


Those who belief either major party candidate will actually change anything are fooling themselves. The real candidate for change was Ron Paul, and he was shouted down by the other candidates and the media.

McCain we all know will be quite similar to Bush but will Obama be all that different? He won't change our monetary policy, he won't change our irresponsible levels of spending, he might drawdown in Iraq, but he won't pull all the soldiers out, nor pull our soldiers away from the rest of The Empire.
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Postby Dammit » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:05 am

I agree with your statement of the best candidate being Ron Paul, Kansas. We have a two-party system that controls the media and he and others of 3rd parties do not get any opportunity to address anything. Ron Paul made them look like idiots back in 2000 and since then, only Republicrats are allowed to be addressed in debates.

Why? Because of who runs the media. That is horsecrap. Anyhow, now that I have vented, it is time to get back to Fantasy Football.
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McCain not Obama!

Postby Bandits » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:12 am

I am proudly voting for McCain on Nov. 4th. I'm totally against early voting when it's not personally necessary for you, and I think it cheats the system. In the primarys, McCain was not my 1st choice or even my 2nd choice. I liked Rudi 1st and then Romney. When McCain won the primarys, I was unsure if I would be voting republican or democrat. When Obama won the primarys, I was on the fence on who I was going to vote for until I learned more information about Obama. Here are the reasons I'm not voting for Obama and I am voting for McCain.

- Obama's connection to William Ayers: Ayers is an admitted domestic terrorist who is unrepented and states that he wishes he would have set more bombs off. Obama initially downplayed his connection with Ayers stating; "He's just someone who lives in the neighborhood." The fact of the matter is, Ayers held a meet & greet for Obama in the living room of his residence when obama was running for the Illinois senate. Obama outright lied about his connection to Ayers. Obama downplays his connection to Ayers stating that he was only 8 years old when Ayers done all those bad things. Well I wasn't even born yet when Hitler was killing Jews, but I still wouldn't hang out with him.

-Obama's connection to Rev. Jeremiah Wright: Obama was a member of Wright's church for over 20 years. Wright baptized his children and at one time, Obama held Wright in high regard until it didn't suit his political career. Wright is a radical anti-american who stated after 9-11 "Our chickens have come home to roost" "It's not god bless America, it's god damn America!" Obama downplayed his connection to Wright stating that he was not in church at the times Wright were making these radical comments, and he was unaware of Wrights radical views. Well, it sounds again like another lie from Obama and if he's not lying, then he's too stupid and nieve to be our president.

- Obama's connection to Rashid Khalidi: Khalidi was a member of the PLO at a time when they were recognized by the U.S. as a terrorist organization. Obama and his wife socialized with Khalidi and Obama attended a dinner in which he toasted Khalidi.

[b]- Obama's connection to the group ACORN:
ACORN is being investigated by the FBI for voter fraud. There are cases in Ohio as well as other states in which members of ACORN paid people off the streets with cigarettes etc.. to register numerous times to vote. One man in Ohio registered 72 times for cigarettes. Obama's connection? His campaign recently donated over $800,00 to a sub group of ACORN to "get out the vote". Obama and his law firm, represented ACORN in a lawsuit. Obama helped trained future leaders of ACORN.

- Obama's connection to convicted felon Tony Rezco: Rezco was convicted on several counts of mortgage fraud and assisted Obama in the purchase of his home. Obama got some type of sweet deal as his home was valued at over 3 million dollars yet Obama got it for under 2 million.

- Obama's connection to Louis Farrakhan: Louis Farrakhan publicly endorsed Obama and called Obama the "Messiah" That in itself should be enough not to vote for Obama.

- This is just to name a few of his questionable connections. While Obama tries to diminish these connections, ask yourself this; Why are these radicals so suportive of Obama and want him to get in the White House?

[b] - Obama's Tax plan:
Obama basically plans to increase taxes on individual's, small businesses and large corporations who make over $250,000. Economics 101 tells you that if you increase taxes on businesses, they're not going to be the ones paying it. WE ARE! They will pass the cost on to us by raising the price of their product, cutting jobs and/or benefits. What do you think your raise is going to be from the company you work for once Obama puts his plan in place. That is if they decide to give you a raise. As I said, this is simple economics 101. When the cost of doing business goes up, the cost gets passed on.

I could go on and on with the reasons as to why Obama would be a bad choice for our country. Bottom line is that he has too many question marks for me to trust him. What are his motives and who is behind his sudden rise to the top. With John McCain, the one thing that is undeniable about him is that he puts his country first. He's proven it and he's been tested. I know that whatever decisions he makes even though I might not agree with them, he is making because he believes it's for the good of our country. His motives for the Presidency are unquestioned!
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Postby Lerch » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:48 pm

Absolutely agree with Bandits. I wonder why that stuff does not get more press? I mean, I heard a bit about it, but it was quickly squashed.
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Re: McCain not Obama!

Postby crash » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:46 pm

Bandits wrote: - Obama's Tax plan: Obama basically plans to increase taxes on individual's, small businesses and large corporations who make over $250,000.


Actually lately he has been quoted as $200k and Joe Biden has been quoted at $150k. Unfortunately neither applies to me personally, but where does the line get drawn post election when Nancy Pelosi is actually in charge of getting that bill off the ground?

My beef with a raise taxes policy is rooted in the fact I worked for a branch of the federal government for a decade and a half. The ongoing waste of your money and mine is simply unimaginable. The scale of waste (fraud and abuse too) that goes on as standard practice is sickening. Your tax dollars and mine are all too often treated as monopoly money or just data cells on a spread sheet. I once saw $5million completely thrown away in a petty personal dispute by two low level managers (more money than I will ever pay in taxes in my entire life time of working). I was so disgusted I asked to be reassigned.

Until the culture of out spending the government's means and wasting half of it in the process is changed, I will vote no for any candidate that promises to raise taxes on anyone.
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Postby FootballBuddah » Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:44 am

Bandits wrote:Obama's connection to Rashid Khalidi: Khalidi was a member of the PLO at a time when they were recognized by the U.S. as a terrorist organization. Obama and his wife socialized with Khalidi and Obama attended a dinner in which he toasted Khalidi.


Late in the campaign, McCain and Palin criticized Obama for attending a 2003 party for Rashid Khalidi, a Palestinian-American professor and critic of Israel. But McCain is also linked Khalidi. The professor was a founder of the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, which received $448,000 from an organization McCain chairs.
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Postby Bandits » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:38 am

FootballBuddah,

You are correct! McCain was one of the many directors of an organization that donated money to the Center founded by Khalidi. The money I believe, was to fund polling or to setup Polls. Not 100% sure on that. McCain may have been unaware of the connection with Khalidi when the money was donated The difference here, is that the money was not being given to Khalidi but to an organization so it could be used for a good reason. Obama was attending a party for Khalidi and toasting him, knowing very well what his background was and that he is anti-Israel.
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